S4E03 - Barry Schwartz on why we should focus on practical wisdom

When making a decision, we should seek out the "best" option, right? Turns out, seeking to maximize your outcomes is likely to leave you less happy and more stressed. On the show today I bring you one of my mentors, Barry Schwartz, who wrote the game-changing book The Paradox of Choice, Why More is Less.

Barry shares why maximizing is a bad goal, talks about the benefits of constraints, and shows how practical wisdom is what will enable us to succeed in the face of uncertainty and ambiguity.

Topics covered

  • 03:01 What prompted him to get into this field

  • 06:48 What makes a decision bad? And people making decisions inconsistent with their goals.

  • 09:07 Maximizing is a bad goal

  • 11:07 Culture's influence on maximizing and unhappiness

  • 12:14 Why constraints are good

  • 22:37 Support Barry's grandkids' education!

  • 23:13 Practical wisdom

  • 28:02 What is needed is judgment, not rules

  • 31:24 The need to learn how to live with uncertainty and ambiguity

  • 34:56 Why you should learn to be a chefs vs. a cook

  • 37:59 Analytical tools can help…

  • 40:11 Key things to remember

Guest Bio

Barry Schwartz is an emeritus professor of psychology at Swarthmore College and a visiting professor at the Haas School of Business at Berkeley. He has spent fifty years thinking and writing about the interaction between economics, psychology, and morality.  He has written several books that address aspects of this interaction, including The Battle for Human Nature, The Costs of Living, The Paradox of Choice, Practical Wisdom, and most recently, Why We Work. Schwartz has written for sources as diverse as The New York Times, The New York Times Magazine, the Chronicle of Higher Education, Slate, Scientific American, The New Republic, the Harvard Business Review, and the Guardian. He has appeared on dozens of radio shows, including NPR’s Morning Edition, and Talk of the Nation, and has been interviewed on Anderson Cooper 360 (CNN), the PBS News Hour, The Colbert Report, and CBS Sunday Morning. Schwartz has spoken four times at the TED conference, and his TED talks have been viewed by more than 20 million people.

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